Nobody Died When Clinton Lied.  

Talk Back - Voices from the ether...

Sun, 17 Oct 2004
Veronica in Dallas writes that "I saw your bumper sticker today, in Dallas, and was completly outraged. I'm actually on the fence right now on who to vote for, so my comment is not about that. I would just like to remind you and all of your supporters of the bombing of the U.S.S. Cole on October 18,2000. And as I recall, Clinton was still in administration then. Bush was not voted in to office till late November or early December that year. As a granddaughter, daughter, and sister of men and women in the military... I take complete offence to this quote! Could you imagine how the families of the victims feel? Those are at least 17 U.S. citizens lives taken, not counting several others, while Clinton was in office. I understand everybody has a right to free speech... but don't you think you should at least research your material before making it public? Because all you are doing is making you and your supporters look like insensitive jerks. Do you call yourself "Patriotic"? Damn, I can only imagine what Bush supporters think of you. Good Luck."
mjg: I think you've missed the point of the statement that "Nobody Died When Clinton Lied." His "lies" were about sexual relations with a woman he wasn't married to and the resulting waste of taxpayer money and goverment attention to this matter (which is as old as politics/power itself). It certainly was NOT meant to imply that good soldiers/sailors/airmen didn't lose their lives in the service of this country on his watch. They did and for that we are all grateful.
That being said, their sacrafices were NOT the result of Clinton's "Lie." They were the direct result of a terroist attack against a US warship. This is totally different than Bush lying to congress and all US citizens about the threat that Sadam Hussein represented. WMDs...not! This war, and all the good men and women who are dying their every day is really about Bush trying to make some positive headway on the war on terrorism in the eyes of the public. Osama has not been caught, very few if any credible Al Queda members were caught. It is all a sham.
That is what the slogan means. I certainly have NEVER implied I don't support our servicemen and women, I just don't support their Commander in Chimp.

Sat, 18 Sep 2004

Message From: Out RagedWhen Clinton lied, Congress was forced to spend months investigating how he perjured himself. It wasn't EVER about what he did w/Monica that was the problem(!) It was that he committed a felony by lying under OATH about it. Being an attorney, he should have known better, but he was arrogant. Upon learning that Mr. Clinton PERJURED himself, he was DISBARRED for 5 years (this is like DEATH to an attorney). Congress had to take valuable time from its agenda to spend discussing the gravity of Mr. Clinton's offense--time that was supposed to be spent discussing NATIONAL SECURITY THREATS and ways to better protect the US from outside terrorists!!!!! It is a tiny bit of a stretch, but if you look at it this way--that b/c he committed perjury, he had to be investigated and people spent time and money that was intended to have been spent devising ways to protect us. So, it set Congress and the US back BIG TIME. Congress couldn't enact laws or establish plans to prevent terrorism and the FBI's resources were diverted to the investigation of perjury, (among quite a few other criminal activities the Clintons were involved in).

So, if Clinton told the truth, no hearings would have been needed and Congress would have been able to discuss IMPORTANT topics like how to defend the US against global threats of terror. BECAUSE CLINTON LIED, [EVENTUALLY] PEOPLE DIED.

p.s. I actually refuse to deal w/anyone who still insists Clinton was brought down b/c of sex, as well as anyone who insists Bush stole the election--b/c beliefs like that = blatant stupidity and total naivete about politics and society. I am well-read on politics, law and gov't, so my opinion is certainly a well-informed one. I just thought it was important to dispute what your quote was b/c I'm sure you're not the only person so terribly misguided and misinformed by the liberal media and half-truths. I'm guessing you're not exactly a politics major, so I can cut you some slack, but it's important to me to speak up when I hear people make comments like yours. I do happen to support our President, but no matter how you look at it, the ramifications of Clinton's perjury were far-reaching and they continued for several years, as it took Congress a long time to get back to where they were headed before he committed a felony. If Clinton had any honor or integrity, he wouldn't have committed a felony that wasted untold millions of dollars and he cost Americans by having their legislators distracted from their primary goal--keeping us safe. Also, b/c Clinton was such a flaming liberal, he and his lawyers objected to practically anything the FBI or CIA proposed about new measures of investigating threats. Ever heard of the ACLU? American Civil Liberties Union? A bunch of people who are concerned more with the rights of child molestors than the rights of th molestors' victims. So, Clinton and his liberal supporters at the ACLU objected to the FBI and CIA's requests to beef up counter-terrorism measures by conducting surveillance on known terrorists already within the US. They were concerned that Mohammad Atta and his gang of homicidal maniacs' rights would be violated if they were tracked while within our borders. CLinton was more concerned that these people's rights were protected than about what danger they could cause. So, in my opinion, by his actions and what they set in motion, Clinton and his administration have the blood of the 3,000 people who were murdered on 9/11/01 all over their hands.

mjg: Sure congress "wasted time and money" that could have been better spent on intelligennce re: terrorists but it wasn't Clinton that started the witchhunt in the first place. Infidelities in the White House aren't anything new, nor are they new to many, many members of congress on both sides of the aisle. I say those who pursued this polito-religious crusade are the guilty parties. To say that the whole issue was an investigation into his perjury (come on, what politicial doesn't lie, under oath or otherwise) is trying to cover up the real purpose behind the attempts to impeach him. What is worse? Getting a little Presidential perks and lying about it to protect your marriage or lying to the American public about perceived connections between Iraq and Osama bin Laden and WMDs sending hundreds of young soldiers into harms way on an invasion that was planned before 9/11/01?


Sun, 08 Aug 2004

"My name is Rxxxxx Kxxxx and i am the summer intern for the Grassroots & DNC campaign here in Cleveland, Ohio.  I wanted to tell you that i have seen that slogan on many a bumper sticker here in town.  Do you know where i could buy t-shirts witht that slogan?  Please respond. "
mjg:  You can order them from our online shop at http://nobodydied.com/shop.asp.


Thu, 10 Jun 2004
"I spotted one of your bumper stickers on the freeway near Yankee Stadium.  Had to use binoculars to read the web address.  A few people (e.g. Vince Foster) died mysteriously before and during Clinton's presidency, and the office was certainly besmirched.  But of course you and your bumper sticker sporters are entitled to your free speech.  Bush in 2004!"
mjg: Good to see we agree on one thing<G>...

Thu, 22 Apr 2004
RightWinger says: "I take them down as fast as they go up.  The
bungee cords come in quite handy"

Sat, 08 May 2004
I have one of these stickers on the back of my family mini van. I put one there, because it haolds true to what it says. I am in Ceres, California. Also, i have found this sticker in Fresno California
mjg: Spread the word!

Fri, 30 Jan 2004

Unfortunately, joe [See below] is wrong. to argue that Halliburten "didn't get the oil, they only got the rebuilding contract" is a little bit disingenuous, and, well, just plain wrong. Halliburten may have the "rebuilding" contracts, but what, Joe, are they rebuilding? the oil refineries, pumps, pipelines, storage facilities, etc. Their subsidiaries, including Kellogg, Brown & Root, and Boots & Coots have their hands fully enmeshed in the oil as well. Because they operate in just about every single facet of the petrochemical industry, you can't hardly have an oilfield operation in this situation without having Halliburten intimately involved: after all...lots of the equipment that Saddam Hussein bought was purchased from Dick Cheney via Halliburten's French subsidiaries so as to skirt the sanctions during the 1990s. Good try Joe, but not so much."
mjg: Well said...


Mon, 24 Nov 2003
"I did not notice any collections of signs protesting all of the killings done by the former Iraqi regime, or even any signs protesting the killing of innocents by terrorists. Will those be posted soon, or are you just a paper thin Bush hating hypocrit. Ask yourself why you did not protest when Mr. Clinton used high altitude bombing to decimate Belgrade. (you didn't protest that, did you? Now how did I know THAT?)"
mjg: Very true, but then again, if I photographed any current signs (as opposed to the ones posted back when the public supported this endeavor), I would post those as well.

Mon, 24 Nov 2003

"Just FYI, you're proving how stupid the signs are when you post "Halliburton Oil". They got the rebuilding contract, not the oil. They have nothing to do with oil. It's one thing to complain that they got a rebuilding contract, it's another to lie and say that they got oil. Makes the administration look smarter."
mjg replie: He makes a good point here. However, I think Joe is taking it out on the wrong person. I didn't make the sign, I'm just reporting it. It is always best though if those posting signs can keep from spreading mis-information. That's the administration's job...


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